Session Start: Sun Jun 24 09:49:42 2001 [09:49] *** Now talking in #movie [09:49] *** Topic is 'There Is No Topic' [09:49] *** Set by Jens-shop on Sun Jun 24 09:40:47 [09:50] Mornin' [09:50] hi nick [09:50] *** David has joined #movie [09:50] evening david *hug* [09:51] Eveining all [09:51] Hi David [09:52] Thought I might log in early just to avoid the rush :-) [09:53] *yawn* I don't think whoever coined "Early to bed and early to rise" meant morning in both cases [09:54] Well, I go to bed early - about 3 or 4am. It's the early rising I have a problem with [09:55] Exactly :) [09:55] And I might just have to find a flamethrower to silence the dawn chorus [09:55] ahaha ... not a morning person, eh? [09:56] Nick : shame on you, poor birdies [09:56] Yur - should use a cat - it's cheaper [09:56] hippo: I could live with it, I think, if I had curtians :) [09:57] David: Yup. I could use a cat. So could the family dog, just for differant purposes. [09:57] hehe [09:57] so long as gaffer tape's not involved... [09:57] *** Simon has joined #movie [09:58] *** maaike has joined #movie [09:58] hello. [09:58] hi all [09:58] hi simon,maaike [09:58] Mornin' Simon, maaike [09:59] Gday, Simon [09:59] *** eric has joined #movie [09:59] *** Jens-shop sets mode: +o eric [09:59] hi eric [09:59] hi folks :) [10:00] hi eric [10:01] how is everyone this fine/overcast/drizzly/wet/foggy/snowy morning? [10:01] sleepy n skint :) [10:02] *** Nanny_Ogg has joined #movie [10:02] Hi [10:02] (overcast) sleepy, but otherwise fine. [10:02] Gday, Nanny, Eric & Maaike [10:02] hippo...the normal state of mankind as I understand it :( [10:02] hi Nanny [10:02] awake - I always am in mornings... and contemplating packing :-( [10:02] It has been absolutely beautiful weaher here in Sydney [10:03] Simon - For a holiday, an end of holiday, a house move or what? [10:03] ooooh I'm jealous [10:03] lovely sunny days, crisp nights, clear blue skies - typical Sydney winter [10:03] Sounds good! [10:03] I'm not...I'm getting too much glare off the monitor even with teh blinds down [10:03] nanny: end of term. And of uni in fact, I graduate on Wednesday. I'm leaving Durham... [10:04] Ah - the big wide world awaits! Congratulations! [10:04] So what happens next in your life? [10:04] I'm working in Edinburgh for the summer. After that, completely unknown... I'm hoping that the summer will make up my mind one way or the other over whether I want to try and get into theatre. [10:04] Are you working in theatre in Edinburgh, then? [10:05] Simon: which particular aspect of theatre are you considering? [10:05] Simon...take it from somebody that's done it...you don't...however, you may have a burning need to do it anyway whether you want to or not [10:07] sorry, delay while someone banged on my door... [10:07] poor door [10:07] eric: at present, I love it without getting paid - the question I guess is whether I still would five years on, having to overwork myself to live, etc... [10:07] And I can't think of much else I'd want to do... [10:07] *** Kincaid has joined #movie [10:07] *** Jens-shop sets mode: +o Kincaid [10:08] nanny: yes, I'm a venue technician for C - see http://www.cvenues.com [10:08] that was what decided it for me [10:08] yo [10:08] Howdy Kincaid [10:08] *** lonecat has joined #movie [10:08] Hi [10:08] hi Kincaid [10:08] hi Kincaid [10:08] hello. [10:08] hi Susan [10:08] Hiya Susan [10:08] Hi Susan [10:08] agenda? [10:08] Agenda: [10:08] 1. Video camera at the London audition [10:08] 2. Fundraising [10:08] 3. Status Reports [10:08] 4. Any Other Business [10:08] 5. End of the world. [10:09] Gosh - 5's a bit drastic isn't it? [10:09] apology from me for all future meetings - I'll be back on pay-per-minute net access within the week, so no IRC. [10:09] David...we best be prepared for anything :) [10:09] David: I'm feeling apocalyptic, due to Bastard Computers from Hell. [10:09] Well, arguably all the AOB that's appropriate for the end of the world could take a while... [10:09] Say No More :-) [10:09] *** Turtle has joined #movie [10:10] hi Turtle [10:10] Hiya Turtle [10:10] hi Turtle [10:10] hi all [10:10] Gday, Turtle [10:10] brb toast [10:10] Susan...just butter for me please [10:11] I'm having a pie for dinner in about 20 minutes... [10:11] what kind of pie? [10:11] Right, In fact, I think the first topic is the whole London Audition [10:11] * eric looks up the rfc for the toast transfer protocol [10:11] a good old-fashioned Aussie meat pie - otherwise known as a rat's coffin. The sort that would make CMOT Dibbler pale... [10:12] camera...any news thereof [10:13] *** thom has joined #movie [10:13] hi thom [10:13] 'morning [10:13] Gday, Thom [10:13] hi thom [10:13] Sorry I'm late... [10:13] yo [10:13] *** Jens-shop is now known as Jens [10:13] hi all [10:14] *** Jens sets mode: +oooooo Aquarion David lonecat maaike Nanny_Ogg Simon [10:14] *** Jens sets mode: +oo thom Turtle [10:15] eric: time to use those negatives? [10:15] could be [10:15] not [10:15] never [10:15] ? [10:15] nobody [10:15] (that sort of thing?) [10:15] I'd much rather not be pulling major favours for just one day with a camera [10:16] :-) fair does [10:16] b [10:17] so, what's the agenda today? [10:18] Erm... I think my dad has a video camera [10:18] Thom: [10:18] David: Don't :) [10:18] I just queried it [10:18] Don't know if I'll be at the audition yet though [10:18] ok [10:18] Susan - Where do you live?: [10:18] Bedford [10:19] Um.... is that somewhere ooop noorth? [10:19] north of lunnon [10:19] No, it's 50 miles north of London [10:20] that counts as northern to most londoners :) [10:20] Hmmmm...... probably still a bit far out of our way (was going to offer lifts and/or transport for the camera if your dad was willing to let it be lent to strangers) [10:20] We live in Ipswich [10:20] [10:20] Living in Durham gives you some perspective on the north/south thing [10:20] * thom curses his brother for having borrowed his video camera. [10:21] * eric curses along with thom [10:21] david curses anyway [10:21] * Jens joins in the general cursing [10:21] oooh - I've curdled the milk :-( [10:22] hmm.. he may be back from iceland before the auditions... [10:22] it's a bit cheeky - but is anyone willing to try the Argos 16-day money-back thing?! [10:22] long shoipping trip? [10:22] karl: er... yes, that's right. [10:22] Simon...risky [10:23] hmmm. How much is it likely to be to rent one for the day? [10:23] What are my chances on getting crash space in London? [10:23] Kincaid: Depends on how fast we can get at the bank account [10:23] eric: yes. Not generally a good idea - I did it with calculators when deciding which to buy for a-level, but they cost less! [10:23] Because I'm more likely to be there if I can go to the signing at FP the day before [10:23] How much do video cameras retail for in the UK these days? [10:24] Susan...who's signing? [10:24] I'm thinking second-hand here [10:24] cheapo to ridicluous, basically [10:24] hang on, will check ebay [10:24] eric: Neil Gaiman [10:24] ooh...I'll see you there [10:25] I need to see Neil [10:25] oh, well, bloody hell, why didn't we know about this before? [10:25] would've been a nice incentive for the announce.. [10:25] Some of us have been reading the website [10:26] * lonecat blames Aquarion for causing her to spend money [10:26] Kincaid...I can afford if there is something reasonably good...in the medium term I guess I need one of my own [10:26] hmmm if there's a signing I *might* pop down [10:26] * Aquarion blames thom for causing him to spend money [10:27] hmmm...does the web site say how long Neil's in the UK [10:27] i never done nowt [10:27] He's in glasgow on the monday [10:27] Well, I need a video camera here, but not right away, so how about someone locates a decent video camera somewhere local to the London thing, I'll pay for it, and when the auditions etc are done, someone can ship it on over to me. It's all PAL anyway, so there's no prolems with compatability [10:27] I'm now getting 'connection refused' :-( [10:27] Susan...it's Wednesday I'm concerned about [10:27] I'll email him [10:28] is OK [10:28] that way there's a video camera handy for not only the auditions, but also "the Making Of" video which we'll no doubt be making too... [10:28] Can we sell the "making of"? [10:28] ouch. DV cameras are *expensive* [10:29] Jens: it's something we can include on the tape/DVD [10:29] BTW: thom, tell corinne I'm back, with or without leave, so the (awol) on the webbie can go [10:29] Kincaid...how expensive [10:29] jens: i'll update it now [10:29] "A groundbreaking and revealing documentary of the black deceptions and outright lies that formed the making of AFP:TM:Maskerade [10:29] " [10:29] just looked at a nice Sony job, (it looks really flash) - 600UKP [10:29] doesn't need to be DV for auditions... though if someones thinking of keeping it and using in the future they might require digital... [10:29] that's not too bad [10:30] Kincaid: can you give me the type? I want to compare it with dutch prices [10:30] I'm not suggesting a camera to shoot the actual film on, just a little something for cheapy stuff - Hi8, Video-8, low-end DV ... something like that [10:31] I, OTOH, am interested in something I can use long term if I can afford it [10:31] Eric: go ahead - I'm just thinking of ways to get out of this camera-less bind [10:31] that you guys have got there [10:31] brb [10:32] and if in the process you can core something that can be used for the film proper - all the better [10:32] core/score [10:34] I've just emailed a friend who *might* be able to lend one. But I haven't seen him for over a year, and I don't know if I'll be at teh audition anyway. [10:34] So plan assuming I can't get it, but it would be worth emailing me before spending any money. [10:34] I'll ask my dad when he gets back from Dublin [10:34] b [10:38] um [10:38] hmmm...maybe I need to learn what technical specs we need from a camera [10:38] The trick is that if one of the cabal (TINC) *owns* a camera, then all this to-ing and fro-ing is moot [10:38] David...that's my theory [10:38] i do own a camera [10:38] might I suggest, unless someone *wants* to buy one: [10:38] it's just geographically disincorporated from me atm [10:38] to do what - to shoot the movie orjust for behind-the-scenes? [10:38] 1. See if Thom's is available [10:38] 2. See if Susan's is available [10:38] 3. Think about buying [10:38] And maybe I'll come up with one in the meantime... [10:39] It's also a case of getting it to where it has to be [10:39] thom: when will you know? [10:39] David...long term to shoot affordable stuff of a reasonable quality...I don't think this will be my last film [10:39] i think mine's prolly only good enough to shoot behind-the-scenes... cVHS, and, er, the viewfinder is broken.... [10:40] ...so I need to spend some time understanding how a camera can be used [10:40] thom: VHS is barely ok to shoot behind-the-scenes... [10:40] eric: I can give you some pointers and even some recommendations if you like [10:40] My dad's is fairly good for a home camcorder, based on what I've seen of other people's home videos [10:41] VHS: maybe not for 'making of', but presumably ok for auditions? [10:41] David...that would be useful...can you email a run down on what I need to look at [10:41] Eric: will do [10:41] VHS fine for auditions...no viewfinder is not [10:41] VHS is distinclt better than nothing for the audition in, what, two weeks... [10:41] lc: though most peoples' home videos seem to be limited by lack of camera skill & editing rather than image quality [10:41] Simon: VHS is fine for auditions [10:41] even without a viewfinder [10:41] could be... My dad is pretty good at filming [10:42] Jens...without a viewfinder it's not going to tell us much [10:42] no viewfinder means you simply hook the camera up to a VCR and use a TV to monitor what you're shooting [10:42] eric: try to arrange for someone to provide a TV - provided there's a SCART input the TV can be used as a giant viewfinder [10:43] hmm, similtaneous thinking ;-) [10:43] great minds, huh? :-P [10:43] well, the viewfinder's only broken in the sense that the rubber eye rest bit has snapped off... [10:43] that's not broken, I usually used to take them off so I could use it at a distance anyway! [10:43] in that case, I don't see any problems (ho ho) [10:44] OK...thom...when will you know if your brother will be back? [10:44] ahaha [10:44] gods know. [10:44] he's now planning to go to roskhilde music festival, but i doubt he will [10:44] -> *Kincaid* This is an offical prod querying the bank account forms *** Added alistair to notify list *** Added sam to notify list *** Added nattie to notify list *** Added lonecat to notify list *** Added rachel to notify list [10:45] i'll doubtless get an email update soon, as soon as i know, i'll let y'all know. *** Added amy to notify list *** Added thom to notify list [10:45] thom: tell him not to stand up front... *** Added corinne to notify list [10:45] and watch out for security guards. [10:46] OK...I'll check out my buying options...but looking at my finaces (as calculated on the traditional back of an envelope) it looks like I can only afford Ł400 [10:46] Try some pawn shops if eBay doesn't turn up anything [10:46] Eric - If you're short of a TV, we might be able to bring one. Depends, however, on whether we're driving in or taking the train, which depends on the parking space available. [10:47] sorry, I have to run - see you next week. [10:47] *** Turtle has quit IRC [10:47] Sarah...take the train...parking is next to impossible [10:47] AFAIAA London isn't the mythical big city with available parking, but I an't say I have first-hand experience [10:48] the Drill Hall is about as central as one can get [10:48] Well, my last experience of trying to park in the main city was far from good. Wasn't sure how the local experience was. [10:48] Anyway, I've just actually read the above stuff about the viewfinder properly, and I gather you're OK without a TV. Duh, me. [10:50] I shall also check whether there is anything I can do with small favours [10:51] Okay, So further reports on this next week then, yes? [10:51] *** thom has quit IRC (Ping timeout for thom[ppp-2-30.5800-11.access.uk.worldonline.com]) [10:52] I think 53 minutes is enough time for discussion of video cameras... [10:52] Aquarion...yep...and everyone who will be at the auditions rack your barins on this [10:52] *** thom has joined #movie [10:52] brains [10:53] BRAAAIIINNNSS [10:53] Of course, that would mean moving on to fundraising [10:53] Which is the next point, that might not include this. [10:53] [10:53] Sorry, might not include me [10:53] *** Jens changes topic to 'Agenda: (1: video camera), *2: fundraising*, 3: Status reports, 4: AOB, 5: EOW' [10:53] Anyway, yes. [10:53] Fundraising [10:54] *** Jens sets mode: +o thom [10:54] Anyone who wants an AFPMovie T-Shirt (profits to the fund) should email me. [10:54] ooh :-) [10:54] d'you know cost? [10:54] Aq: details? design, price, sizes etc... [10:54] what about the idea of t-shirt as a "membership" thing? [10:55] sell loads of them at cost and we lose that option [10:55] Any size, Design selected from either Corinnes or Davids on the website price #10 [10:55] eric: But we sell more of them on their own, I think. [10:56] for money to be made from t-shirt one needs to have more of a marketing plan than "get some t-shirts made then sell some" [10:56] We can also have another T-Shirt for members [10:56] yep [10:56] Aq: I want a T-shirt. Remind me which of your many e-mail addresses you're actually using these days? Forgot to make a note of it..... [10:56] tshirts@aquarionics.com for this [10:56] what I'm saying though is that we need to think these things through rather than do them piecemeal [10:58] need to decide what constitutes a 'membership pack' and when is the 'launch' [10:58] hmmm... what about "member" t-shirts and "non-member" t-shirts? [10:58] a few years back I did tour booking fora show that budgetted to sell a few hundred t-shirts...but didn't have them ready until the last three days of the run... [10:58] "elephant #1", etc? [10:58] ...last I heard they still have three hundred of the things sitting around [10:59] limited edition share t-shirtificate [10:59] Okay, Firstly this is a JiT manufactoring system, and therefore we won't be left with items we can't sell [10:59] * Jens would sorta like a Davidsandershirt in size XXXhuge [10:59] give number 1000 to Pterry and auction number 1 at CCDE [11:00] And also, it's possible to do as Thom said, a limited run of 1000 numbered ones [11:00] eric: there's a risk that printing serial numbers on them would increase production cost [11:00] Jens: It doesn't. [11:00] OK [11:00] They are all made indervidually anyway [11:01] Jens...yep...but you don't sell them as a t-shirt...you sell them as membership shirtificates along with the promise of a copy of the final movie... [11:01] i'd definitely go with auctioning #1 or #1000, depending.. [11:01] Ahh... so you could pront ones with "Director", "Producer", "254th opera-goer" etc? [11:01] ...that takes the sale price from Ł5 to a good solid Ł10-15 [11:01] jens; i think for the t-shirts, we're *all* hefflumps. [11:01] Yup. it's a mailhouse as well, automated printing is something we *can* do :) [11:02] Still: "Elephant #2: Director (Eric Jarvis)" etc would be cool [11:02] Jens...if you like....I had my heart set on Elephant 27 [11:03] Details are open to discussion [11:03] I claim 42 :) [11:03] "Elephant #1: Damocles Sword (Terry Pratchett)" [11:03] Dibs on 42 [11:03] Argh :( [11:03] * Jens wants 17 [11:03] I want 22 [11:03] First we have to sort out membership, which has become next week's major topic [11:04] claiming numbers should be by email after an announce on teh mailing list (or by bidding) [11:04] True [11:04] I think we also auction number 42 at CCDE [11:04] :) [11:04] Although reserving #1 (or #1000) for Pterry might be worth doing [11:05] and possibly 7a [11:05] corinne says she's been talking to joy who says she's looking at getting filk books printed up for auction at ccde, profits to e1k [11:05] Starting price for 42 = <20p>? [11:05] [11:05] hippo: yesss [11:05] Ahh... being someone's favorite charity gives a warm glow, dunnit? [11:05] "e1k"? good grief [11:05] OK...can she let me know what filks...I may try and get a small combo together for CCDE this year [11:06] eric: her own work [11:06] thom..I know that....but what songs do we learn to perform :) [11:06] bid Ł10 [11:06] eric: they may not all be in electronic format :) [11:07] So, what's the status on official formation on the club? [11:07] jens; we got the forms yesterday [11:07] should be in t'post tomorrow [11:07] OK [11:07] (with any luck) [11:08] no relying on luck [11:08] hmm... do we avoid tshirt #69..? [11:08] Would be nice if memberships were avaialble soon... starter packs could perhaps be delayed [11:08] Which means I'll set up 1kec tomorrow [11:08] Thom: that was quick, only sent them friday afternoon :-) [11:08] thom: no, we add it to the CCDE auction [11:08] eric; well it depends if we have transport to a post box or not.. [11:08] Thom: I think people would probably pay extra for #69! [11:09] karl: well, that's the british postal service for you [11:09] yep [11:09] It had never occured to /me that having a mail box within walking distance was a luxury [11:09] time to get a bike thom [11:09] it's cornwall, not exactly civilised [11:09] jens: well, it's within walking distance, but last time i tried it i got sunstroke, asthma and almsot stung about five times. [11:09] ours is within walking distance, you just have to wait half an hour for a gap in the traffic to get to it [11:09] karl: agreed [11:10] lc : bit like that here :) [11:10] mine is at the end of the driveway [11:10] * Kincaid can _almost_ reach the postbox from his front door [11:10] anyway [11:11] OK, any fundraising ideas that don't involve t-shirts? [11:11] so...general t-shirt can go ahead...membership shirtificates etc to be discussed next week [11:11] hmmm.. prostitution? [11:11] no thanks [11:11] kidnap, extortion? [11:11] thom...I tried it...lost money :( [11:12] How do we differentiate geenral t-shirts from shirtificates, though? [11:12] Is a shirtificate merely a nubered generalshirt? [11:12] well... we have two designs... [11:12] Jens...different design...though I'll admit I'd much rather there was NO t-shirt produced before the membership one [11:12] ...helps keep demand up [11:13] agreed [11:13] i'll agree there [11:13] aq : have you have many requests for film t-shirts yet ? [11:13] but a cabal t-shirt and a cast/crew t=shirt might be OK [11:13] that's a better idea [11:13] hippo: None [11:13] a cast/crew/cabal t-shirt apart from the membership shirt? we might be getting an overload here... [11:14] Jens: Not really possible :) [11:14] I was thinking more along the lines of the membership shirt having an optional title [11:14] Jens...the membership should be purely by number...it's a share certificate [11:14] Can the shirt printer do complicated stuff? I was thinking perhaps a red shirt with David's "Maskerade" logo [11:15] Yes [11:15] Digital colour copies. Anything on a white background. Things on a black background are slightly more [11:16] stick with white...we are doing this for money not for fashion [11:16] What are the copyright implications of _selling_ stuff with a Maskerade logo? Is that going to be more difficult to get away with than 1000 elephants logo? [11:16] Then again, the maskerade logo print as is wouldn't realy look good on a "normal" red shirt... to dark around the edges [11:16] ...the t-shirts that is [11:16] Good point [11:17] I'd be a bit worried about copyright infringement..... [11:17] hmm.. yeah, i'd stick with the heffalumps [11:17] eric: unless people are less likely to buy white ones? [11:17] At least, in view of the fact that "maskerade" is a funny spelling and thus easier to defend as a trade mark [11:17] zactly [11:17] * lonecat has no white t-shirts [11:18] I certainly ain't into white shirts... I'd probably by it for the cause, but not wear it [11:18] * eric bought 3 yesterday [11:18] lc: my point exactly... I only have free ones! [11:18] David's print on a black shirt would probably b more popular [11:18] yep [11:18] Erm, black T-shirts are what film/TV people wear. Wouldn't be caught dead in anything else. [11:19] Any other colour just screams "I don't ahave a clue and am not makign a film" [11:19] membership shirtificates; white. corinne's design. cabal; black. david's design. [11:19] not me...I stopped wearing black around thesps when I decided I didn't ever want to crew again [11:19] theatre is a Whole Other World AFAICT... [11:19] I wear white for rigging cos I don't care about getting paint on them! [11:20] so, we're just going round and round here - get a subcommitee to sort this for next week? [11:20] yep...there is a good reason for wearing black for one thing...though I suppose there is with film... [11:20] if brigt colours affect the lighting on set [11:20] bright [11:20] but yep...black for cabal [11:21] TINC [11:21] ;-P [11:21] tiac! [11:21] So,, who wants to be in the arguing-about-shorts commitee? [11:21] s/shorts/shirts [11:22] Somehow I don't thing shorts have quite the same marketing potential [11:22] eat my- oh. [11:23] Aquarion, Kincaid, lonecat, and me? [11:23] damn, I've volunteered myself [11:23] *** evil_thom has joined #movie [11:23] *** Jens sets mode: +o evil_thom [11:23] meeting on Thursday evening here? [11:23] huh? [11:24] Thursday evening bad [11:24] thom...t-hirt ub-committee [11:24] sub [11:24] Being fed by parents, ecpected to be social [11:24] thom: meeting of shirt cabal, Aq, kinc, lc, eric [11:24] my view is one for cabal,one for membership, one general (no-membership) .. but I'll leave final choice to the subcomm [11:24] :-) [11:24] Tuesday? [11:24] *** thom has quit IRC (Ping timeout for thom[ppp-4-98.5800-5.access.uk.worldonline.com]) [11:25]